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Post  WA State Voter Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:02 am

I read on a Hillary Clinton forum that Obama's campaign infiltrated polling companies and are manipulating the polls. They said that happened during the primaries. Do you know if anyone has proof of it?

The reason I would like to know is that when polls go south on a candidate it does depress voting for that candidate. However, I also know it might motivate the candidate's campaign to do more.

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Post  GOPgal Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:40 am

WA State Voter wrote:I read on a Hillary Clinton forum that Obama's campaign infiltrated polling companies and are manipulating the polls. They said that happened during the primaries. Do you know if anyone has proof of it?

The reason I would like to know is that when polls go south on a candidate it does depress voting for that candidate. However, I also know it might motivate the candidate's campaign to do more.

Well it may depress some but it motivates me to vote even more when I think my candidate is down.

With this particular election I will walk through broken glass, and crawl over hot coals, and swim through a crocodile infested swamp to vote for McCain!!!! Heck I might even register my two cats - seems like the dems are doing it, so why not me????

Obama scares the ever lovin daylights out of me - no way in h e double hockey sticks I'm stayin home!!!!!!!!!!
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Post  independant_visionary Sat Oct 11, 2008 6:49 pm

WA_State ... Sorry I missed this post before.

Well I cannot say whether they did infiltrate the polls or not but I know for a fact that the polls have always been skewed in his favor. For eg Just a week before the following primaries in CA, NH, PA, OH, TX he was supposed to be either tied or leading by atleast 5 or more points. Even the exit polls on election day irrespective of the state have been on an average skewed atleast 3 percentage points in his favor. Thats a fact!

Final results :

CA - HRC - 10Pts
NH - HRC - 3 pts
PA- HRC - 10pts
OH - HRC - 10 pts
TX - HRC - 4 pts

Now regarding online polls ...which is only for statistical importance ...his campaign has dedicated staff to promote them + most of his support base happen to the the liberal online community.

The other point is ..yes it can be disheartening to see polls go south for ones candidate but I have seen that before ...as stated above. well i think the campaigns know it too well its only the public who tend to be edgy. This race is close ...probably 4 pts and the undecideds will break for JM as they had for HRC during the primaries. Keep up the fight.

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Post  WA State Voter Sat Oct 11, 2008 10:02 pm

I read on one of the boards that the signs are that McCain's internal polls are apparently showing that he is leading in places like Florida and Ohio because he isn't even advertising there. I don't know if that is true. They also said that because they are spending time in PA and WI that they must think they have a chance in those 2 states.

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Post  independant_visionary Sun Oct 12, 2008 1:44 am

well one thing for sure ..the campaign is spending more resources in places like NM, IA, MN, WI, PA, CA where in the polls currently show BO with a sizeable lead (apart from MN ) instead of places like VA, NC, IN, NV, CO, FL,OH where the polls suggest a toss up or BO lead. This is a fact and may seem to be very suprising to the onlooker but no campaign works on a particular strategy without a sound reasoning. Whatever little information I could collect indirectly from them is that they sound quite confident about states like NC, IN. NV. They believe they will be able to pull through in VA,OH and FL but something which might need attention. They are having their first ever joint rally in VA(BO and his team has already been to VA over 12 times) on the 13th and the response has been very overwhelming so much so that they had to change the venue to a race car stadium. CO is truly a toss up. Of course the campaign internal polls influence the respective decisions. The ayers/acorn is making an impact but the current troopergate episode will give BO a boost of 1-2 pts in the polls. My estimates put him at around 6 pts moving forward.

The next week is very crucial and you will see a turnaround. You will see a rebound. BTW...the JM campaign and RNC are spending around 160M for the final weeks starting this Monday. BO does not alone have the money advantage.

Forgot to add ...they are also putting some money in Maine and NH.

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Post  BillD Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:32 am

McCain was in Iowa Saturday. I heard several clips played on evening talk radio. If I heard correctly, he's FINALLY hit the right message and was EXPLAINING things!
Now he needs to do this with his HEALTH CARE, especially in FLA, etc.
When he comes out with cold hard FACTS, FACTS folks like ME care about in these hard times, he'll win just on his vision of fixing things. I was right - folks are getting sick of "attacks" and I personally think that Sarah would do VERY well to herself explain McCain's programs and visions. She can explain to folks how Obama is WRONG, that folks would be better off with his insurance plans - tell folks HE would make insurance PORTABLE!
That's VERY VERY important to FAMILIES where they are in danger of losing a job. Currently - lose the job, LOSE the insurance! McCain says it shouldn't be that way, and he's RIGHT. DRILL THAT POINT HOME!
He could win on those plans alone - but Obama is very very good at convincing folks it would be a tax increase, a tax on their health insurance and it would make it harder for employers to cover you.
McCain needs to CORRECT that - to UNDO the damage Obama has been doing in Iowa for the past week. Iowa cares NOT about Ayers, etc - (I hear them) Iowans DO care about TAXES, FUEL!!!!!!!!!!!! and health insurance. McCain could duplicate what he did yesterday, expand on it and explain his programs in DETAIL!
The details are what folks are not hearing, but the details are what can carry him to a win.
(so how do I/WE tell McCain this??????????????????)
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