bloggers all say O won

I've visited a few news articles where folks can leave comments at the end.
In each case, the "bloggers" or commenters after the article were stating that the post-debate polls where showing that independents were stating Obama won easily.
This means that if Republicans stick with MAc, and Dems stick with Obama and the undecideds and independents say Obama won, then things will sway toward Obama.
Anyone see any polls that show Mac won - other than the FREEP and OBVIOUS right-wing blogs and polls that will tell you Mac won even if he didn't show up?
I mean polls and places that really count or make a difference?
MSNBC last night was giving it to Obama - he won there.

Comments? We KNOW we'd all say our fellow won - we'd better. I mean what did the undecided folks think?
The only one I saw giving it to McCain was a poll of 14 (FOURTEEN) people. REALLY scientific and meaningful!

Those are only online polls...camaigns could easily send out people to vote for em. You wont know the effect of the debate in the real polls till sunday or monday.

NOBAMA wrote:camaigns could easily send out people to vote for em.

True, much like this forum did.

It really pisses me off though. I'm finding a lot of articles saying Obama won on every point. Do people just watch the debate slackjawed and go "Duh, Obama is smart and he said middle class a couple times. I want diversity in the white house. McCain's old and disrespectful. Obama makes me feel like a child listening to a motivational speaker at a school assembly and that makes me feel comfortable cause I'm stupid.", because that's all I'm getting from these articles. There are no valid reasons why they say Obama won over all. The Headlines might as well say, "Undecided voters are Undecided because they're Stupid and shouldn't be voting anyways" or something. I'm going to take notes from Oblahma that will be useful to me if I ever run for something. Here are some notes already.

1) make yourself look like you're less better off than your opponent because people will think, "less money = more like me"
2) be a prophet of doom who has answers because people will be in fear and motivated to vote for you because you're the economic messiah sent from the big Jackass in the sky, no matter how stupid and ineffective your plans will be
3) do what Bill Clinton did, smile and be younger and have the prettiest tie because essentially voters are children who judge on the books cover
4) promise free beer for everyone at the cost of freedom
5) look and act intellectually superior and make your knowledge of other cultures superior too by pronouncing Country names unaccented because Americans are essentially jealous the Worlds know-everything-do-nothing intelligence and Americans feel that the United States is culturally inferior and we're all white plain uninteresting hayseed hicks and we should give more socialism and more tyranny a chance since it's embraced by Countries that are Asian or have brown people unlike ours does.

Voter polls always AMAZE ME on how petty and unaware voters are. I'd love to give up my right to vote if it meant everyone else in my age group (18-25 unless you're in the military) couldn't vote but that dent in the voting demographic won't cover up for everyone else's stupidity unfortunately.

California and an independent thinker, not in the tank for the extreme left?
Guess there are some places where it's not the People's Republik of Kalifornia......

Drudgereport.com, the most viewed news website on the net, has McCain up 2 to 1 over BHO.

True, but the "left" views Drudge as a right-wing site and many say they'd never go there. So that means, the left isn't even visiting that site to vote.

Theres a SUSA poll of washington state independants which shows JM won over BO by 43-34 among independants. This is credible source.

The same source reports JM / BO split the california independants. Both are higly liberal states which translates to good news for JM.

Yes, there is a CNN and CBS poll done after the debate which has BO winning decisively but according to me without being biased, they can be skewed. The debate got over at 10:30EST and if the calls were conducted after the debate it would mean they are targetting majorly the west states(a point to note even when making campaign calls we never exceed the 9PM deadline - usually 8pm. west states are more liberal.

I still believe BO has a major edge in this race because of the economic turmoil but when the bailout gets thru and if JM can hammer the tax cuts and his involvement to get it passed with it being more friendly to the tax payers, he can get the momentum back. The VP debate becomes very important. I am slightly paranoid.

http://www.surveyusa.com/

Check Gallup, McCain is now down by 8 points....maybe his poor debate performance hurt him?

rcp has it looking very grim, as does the 538 site

I am beinning to wonder about all these polls and how accurate they are. Are they biased just like the MSM? The political pundits are no good either. Democrats will say Obama won and Republicans will say McCain won. Likewise for the bailout. Democrats are saying McCain actually hindered the bill and Obama was just great.
This is just utterly ridiculous. Liberals are also on a lot of the conservative websites just putting idea in people's head about this election. I would really like to know how independents think.

Peggy wrote:I am beinning to wonder about all these polls and how accurate they are. Are they biased just like the MSM? The political pundits are no good either. Democrats will say Obama won and Republicans will say McCain won. Likewise for the bailout. Democrats are saying McCain actually hindered the bill and Obama was just great.
This is just utterly ridiculous. Liberals are also on a lot of the conservative websites just putting idea in people's head about this election. I would really like to know how independents think.

There are people on both sides posing as the opposing party and trying to plant seeds of doubt in others' heads. Many saying "I have been a (democrat/republican) for (x amount) of years and (mccain/obama) does not speak for us and will not get my vote!" Something along those lines. It's sick. Don't let others' words persuade you into thinking differently. If you know who you will be voting for, you vote for them. Never go on others' words.

And one thing to keep in mind about the polls: The ONLY "poll" that matters is the one on November 4th. Looking at these, they can be either biased on the left, or on the right. Also, don't forget about the Bradley affect.
When in the voting booth, no one is there breathing down your neck. No one can see you. To the public, one might state their love for Obama as to not seem racist, yet they can't stand his position on the issues and really do not want him for president on that reason. Those people will vote McCain or third party/write in. Be skeptical of everything you see. Even the polls that favor republicans, be careful.

Just show up on voting day.

Peggy wrote:I am beinning to wonder about all these polls and how accurate they are. Are they biased just like the MSM? The political pundits are no good either. Democrats will say Obama won and Republicans will say McCain won. Likewise for the bailout. Democrats are saying McCain actually hindered the bill and Obama was just great.
This is just utterly ridiculous. Liberals are also on a lot of the conservative websites just putting idea in people's head about this election. I would really like to know how independents think.

Unfortunately, Obama's campaign is built on foundation of lies and people who do not educate themselves believe whatever someone says. Until the GOP shows the lies for what they are so that people will start some investigations, those lies will be all that is remembered.

I hope they have something big to shoot across the Obama bow around October 31.

I, too, noticed that O-bots have control of the comment sections, but most voters don't read those anyway. Those who do notice the obnoxious tone of the bots and that impresses no one but other bots.

I also spent way, way too much time investigating "who won" the debate. I checked well over a hundred, possibly over two hundred, polls and editorials by major news sources, syndicated columnists, major bloggers, pollsters, focus groups, and more. Not surprisingly, rightwingers think McCain won and leftwingers think Obama won. (But I think I noticed a wee bit more genuine enthusiasm on the right?) Those I knew to be truly independent, moderate, and undecided at the beginning of the debate gave McCain a slight win. The general agreement all around has been that McCain started out "weak," "slow," "unprepared," or just "old" but then he rallied and dominated the rest of the evening. The same people say Obama started out "looking presidential," "forceful," and "ready," then slipped into "irritated," "rude," "confused," "defensive," "overly aggressive," and just plain wrong.

As I've said before on this forum, polls can't tell us where we really are in the race. There are too many factors that have no historical data. What polls can do is tell us which direction things are moving in. It has been a bad week for McCain. But then, what would you expect? He suspended his campaign and people don't really understand why yet. In the coming days he'll talk a lot about why he suspended and what he accomplished. The Obama campaign and its extension, the mainstream media, spent the whole week attacking McCain and Palin without answer. All of that ends today.

And then there's the Palin effect. The media has used McCain's suspension to drum up dump-Palin sentiment. Without the huge rallies to remind voters that Palin has strong support, they have been able to paint her as a liability. Some people think she should have been out doing interviews and taking questions. I disagree. They want to destroy her before she gets a chance to prove her readiness in an even match up. In these individual interviews they have been getting away with shockingly aggressive bias. In a head-to-head match up with Biden they will not be able to treat the two very differently without it being obvious. Sure, the spinners will try to attach the caricature they have built to her performance in the debate. Hopefully it won't work. I'm not saying she'll win big, but it all starts anew for her at the debate.

Just about every day there's a new "game changer." We have an uphill battle against the mainstream news media, Hollywood, the unions, ACORN, corrupt registration officials and poll judges, congressional Santas, foreign interests, low party identity, and a national desire to "make history." It's not a fight for the faint of heart. But it's not much different from 2000 and 2004. The opposition is more determined and energetic, but McCain's team is better too.

It all begins new for McCain today. What will you be doing to help?