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Post  PhantomRanger on Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:58 am

oh, and stock raving mad drunks too

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Post  Siouxie on Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:49 am

Gee. What a surprise.

*eyeroll* Rolling Eyes
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Post  democrat on Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:01 pm

I was 12 years old in 1968. I remember clearly the radio report announcing that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. had been shot and killed in Memphis. I was not familiar with his words or teaching, nor had I even heard of his "I Have a Dream" speech. What I had gleaned from the adults who mattered in my life is that he was a troublemaker, upsetting a good thing with his talk about civil rights and racial equality.

My parents and grandparents did not consciously raise me to see blacks as inferiors, yet the message was there. "There are good nigras," my grandmother assured me, unwittingly providing the opposite presumption as a default baseline of her worldview. "People should be satisfied with their place in life," my grandfather proposed. The trouble with the blacks, it seemed, was that they had forgotten their place, a place that allowed us to live quite comfortably in privilege and prosperity, something which they did not enjoy, but that's just the way things worked out.

I heard that segregation was natural, was God's plan (after all, he made "each according to its kind"), was needed. The only blacks I knew fried our Friday night chicken and cleaned our toilets. And they certainly cooked well, at least at The Pickwick, a popular restaurant run by Lester Maddox, where blacks ladled food onto our plates and poured our coffee, but where they could not sit as patrons. Indeed, before long Mr. Maddox would be elected governor of Georgia for chasing off "integrators" with an ax handle. He sold ax handles and recordings of his segregation message at the restaurant, though we never bought them.

So in 1968, when an announcer interrupted the music to tell the world about Dr. King, I thought little of it. I tried to impress my father with a witty comment, something like "Oh, too bad. Another n____r killed." Of course, black folks were often killing each other and dying in general, and, not knowing any, it didn't much matter. I don't recall that my father thought it was funny, because he and the rest of my elders were frightened by the news. I remember them hoping aloud that the killer would be black, not white, lest it set off race riots.

By 1969, things were different. A single song from Motown – "This Is My Country" – somehow penetrated my emergent racism and shocked me into a new reality. Dick Gregory's comedy ("I know Alabama very well – I spent a year there one night") and his riveting social commentary woke something in me. The book Black Like Me opened my eyes to a world I had never imagined through the the story of a white man who had himself chemically blackened (a treatment that would later lead to his death) so that he could walk in another's shoes. It was a world that my people had helped to create, and it was not all pretty.

All of that was 40 years ago. I've watched rascism ebb and flow, often intermingling with other forms of bias against new castes – immigrants, Muslims, the mysterious "other". I've often wondered how Dr. King would feel if he saw how much division there still is, how many have yet to heed his cry from the Birmingham jail to walk together as brothers, or to share his dream of a color-blind, gender-blind meritocracy. I've watched sophisticated whites replace talk of racial superiority with "cultural difference" as a reason for separation, if not exclusion. I've heard too many times the phrase, "I'm not a racist, but . . ."

And so I'm not naďve. The tensions of difference are unlikely ever to fade completely. And yet.

Yesterday was a watershed. Barack Obama, an African American with an international upbringing and inter-racial parentage, was elected 44th President of the United States. For me, this is truly remarkable and personal event. It is an opening – for change, for hope, for healing of the centuries of scarred relationships in this land. I do not agree with all that he stands for politically, but I really don't care. Something bigger is going on.

I have never felt prouder to be an American than I do today. The dream is still alive.

May God help us meet the challenge, put aside the bickering, and get on with the rebuilding.

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Re: Socialist Flag at Obama Celebration

Post  Ebinger on Thu Nov 06, 2008 8:57 pm

Great post, democrat, but if you'll forgive me, what in the hell does that have to do with a bunch of clueless little college kids waving an old USSR flag at a BHO victory rally?
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Post  democrat on Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:44 pm

Ebinger wrote:Great post, democrat, but if you'll forgive me, what in the hell does that have to do with a bunch of clueless little college kids waving an old USSR flag at a BHO victory rally?

We democrats had a chance to develop a good sense for humor in the last 8 years... Someone decided to rub it in, the same way republicans would probably wave toilet plungers if McCain won. Only Hannity's FOX would actually believe that the person holding the flag is a communist. LOL!

P.S. I lived in communist Yugoslavia for 10 years, and I can tell you it was not as bad as you think Wink It has it's disadvantages, but at least you don't have to sell your house and declare bankruptcy if you get seriously ill.

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Post  PhantomRanger on Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:39 am

I'm very unmoved by your post democrat. Why don't you and the rest go to Yugoslavia if it's so great? I'd prefer it if you all didn't "fix" our Country to be more like Yugoslavia.

Why wouldn't someone be a communist for waving the Soviet Flag? What else could it mean?
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Re: Socialist Flag at Obama Celebration

Post  Ebinger on Fri Nov 07, 2008 5:54 pm

democrat aka "bok" post was deleted.
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Re: Socialist Flag at Obama Celebration

Post  democrat on Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:37 pm

I guess I used too harsh words like "helping others" instead of "God Bless America."

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Re: Socialist Flag at Obama Celebration

Post  Nariman on Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:44 pm

Hey Democrat, I'm sure someone has explained this to you by now, but the reason socialism doesn't work(and the reason many people don't like it) is that it removes incentive. Why work hard if you can sit at home, and make the same thing watching TV? You know why your wife works so hard at getting good grades at school, while those "other spoiled rich kids" are out partying and dropping out? Because she had to work for her dream, it wasn't just given to her, she knows what failing will mean. I'm all for helping hard working americans achieve their dreams, but I'm not for a welfare nation like we had before the Clinton adminstration fixed it(although it's still being abused, just at a MUCH smaller scale).

Oh, and please don't start making excuses, there are LOTS of people who have come from upbringings as bad if not worse then your wife, who have achieved GREAT things. EVERYONE has the same opportunities, people are just put in different positions at achieving them. My dad was born into a poor family, his parents, god bless their souls, passed away when he was a child, he saved his pennies(literally) while working construction (making minimum wage when he started) his way up the ladder, and now he's the owner of his own small construction company. . And don't for a second think otherwise or you're just lying to yourself and making excuses.

Socialism doesn't work.

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Post  democrat on Fri Nov 07, 2008 6:59 pm

Nariman wrote:Hey Democrat, I'm sure someone has explained this to you by now, but the reason socialism doesn't work(and the reason many people don't like it) is that it removes incentive. Why work hard if you can sit at home, and make the same thing watching TV? You know why your wife works so hard at getting good grades at school, while those "other spoiled rich kids" are out partying and dropping out? Because she had to work for her dream, it wasn't just given to her, she knows what failing will mean. I'm all for helping hard working americans achieve their dreams, but I'm not for a welfare nation like we had before the Clinton adminstration fixed it(although it's still being abused, just at a MUCH smaller scale).

Oh, and please don't start making excuses, there are LOTS of people who have come from upbringings as bad if not worse then your wife, who have achieved GREAT things. EVERYONE has the same opportunities, people are just put in different positions at achieving them. My dad was born into a poor family, his parents, god bless their souls, passed away when he was a child, he saved his pennies(literally) while working construction (making minimum wage when he started) his way up the ladder, and now he's the owner of his own small construction company. . And don't for a second think otherwise or you're just lying to yourself and making excuses.

Socialism doesn't work.

Why are you quoting my post when you deleted it? It's funny how you guys are so afraid of communists, yet that's exactly what you're doing - ban opinions that might make someone think different that you do.

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Re: Socialist Flag at Obama Celebration

Post  democrat on Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:12 pm

And since you're quoting - why don't you quote me saying "socialism works"? Try reading before you jump to conclusions. Here, let me put in layman's terms: "Americans, help your neighbors."

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Post  Mad_Jasper on Fri Nov 07, 2008 7:51 pm

Here, let me put in layman's terms: "Americans, help your neighbors."

We do. No other country matches our generosity. My problem is helping neighbors through the filter of a corrupt US government. Churches and other charitable organizations disperse money much more efficiency than bureaucrats. Americans make better decision with they're money than Washington. Congress is basically a rich schoolgirl shopping with her daddy's credit card. They get what they want and stick the bill to someone else.

Everyone that pays taxes will get a tax increase, but the middle class are the ones that get screwed. Corporations pass tax increases onto the consumer aka, the middle class. Employers either reduce benefits to employees that receive benefits, or layoff the employees that cost the most money aka, the middle class.

Obama has admitted that he would not increase taxes in a bad economy. Why? Because he knows that tax increases are not good for growing economies. Obama, and most democrats, see the tax code as a way to implement their idea of "fairness".

Obama and Biden will restore fairness to the tax code and provide 95 percent of working Americans the tax relief they need. They will create a new "Making Work Pay" tax credit of up to $500 per person, or $1,000 per working families.
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Post  Peggy on Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:10 pm

Democrat Yesterday you said: " I do not agree with all that he stands for politically, but I really don't care."

Well, I know America is not perfect but I can assure you in the course of this election race relations have gotten worse because of Obama. Look at his background, read his book (in his own words-very racial), and read Michelle's thesis. I could have voted for a number of blacks but not this black. Michael Steele is one of them-former mayor of I think Baltimore. You said you don't care. That is very sad. If you don't agree with what he stands for why would you want him to govern our country and bring it down. This is really sad when people vote for a person because of the color of their skin and not the issues. And don't tell me this did not happen. They have interviewed person after person during the course of this election---and that is what they said. Some could not even tell you what the issues were. They would just go to the rally and scream and shout and listen to a few key phrases of Obama's and vote for him. Some have voted for him because they think they are not going to have to worry about taxes, mortgage or health insurance. I hope these people are satisfied and when that does not happen I can assure you they will start screaming at our president. They think the rich making $250,000 will pay higher taxes and literally support them while they sit on their butts. I have seen this. The rich are smarter than you k now. They know how to invest and where to invest in order to reduce taxes. There are ways. And if and when they get their socialized medicine--guess what. They have to wait years for an operation. In the US if you need a heart bypass, you can get it the next day. In Canada it could be 3 years before you could get it. So if we go to socialized medicine only the rich will get the operations they need, because they can afford to pay for them. This is what is happening in Canada. The rich are crossing the border to the US and paying for operations out of their own pocket

No Barack Obama is not good for America. I do not care if he is black, white, purple or red his policies are not good for my country. But we do have him for our president because uninformed youth and citizens did not pay attention to the issues and voted for him.

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Post  GOPgal on Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:43 pm

democrat wrote:I guess I used too harsh words like "helping others" instead of "God Bless America."

Empowering people to sit around on their butts mooching off society while other more productive people are robbed blind isn't helping anybody. It creates dissent, anger, and kills productivity. In fact all it does is enslave everyone to the government.

For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. - 2 Thessalonians 3:10

Wise words.
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Post  PhantomRanger on Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:12 am

democrat wrote:
Why are you quoting my post when you deleted it? It's funny how you guys are so afraid of communists, yet that's exactly what you're doing - ban opinions that might make someone think different that you do.

I'm not sure what the post removal was all about but I don't think any of us here can be convinced of injecting the United States with more cancer. Anyone that wants to do that should move to a Country where cancer has run wild, there are many places to chose from.

So in your words, communism isn't that bad. You want everyone to share by force weather they like it or not. Yet, you don't like the aspect of communism that bans opinions. There's no freedom in tyranny, buddy. Perhaps you should study our tax system and understand how non profits function and get a clue as to how the United States is the most charitable nation domestically and abroad because of all things. Hint: not Socialism.
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Post  democrat on Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:02 am

I'm not sure what the post removal was all about but I don't think any of us here can be convinced of injecting the United States with more cancer.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you actually "responding" to a deleted post that you haven't even read? Unbelievable!

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Post  Siouxie on Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:17 am

Didn't you know, democrat?? We're all psychic. Unlike BO who just had to take his foot out of his mouth and apologize to Nancy Reagan. And so it begins. I'm gonna have so much fun during the next four years laughing at this bozo who can't say anything substantial without a tele-prompter. Payback's a bitch. Razz
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Post  Nariman on Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:16 pm

Democrat, please pay attention to forum rules, they are there for a reason. Circumventing a ban is against our forum rules, and is punishable by immediate banning. If you feel this was a mistake please go to our Report to Moderator forum and plead your case.

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Post  PhantomRanger on Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:05 pm

democrat wrote:
What the hell are you talking about? Are you actually "responding" to a deleted post that you haven't even read? Unbelievable!

Not nearly as unbelievable as you not being aware of your own posts. I'm talking about what you said.

It's funny how you guys are so afraid of communists, yet that's exactly what you're doing - ban opinions that might make someone think different that you do.

Make sense now? Or do I need to nest more quotes together?
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Post  ArtinNC on Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:04 pm

Communism & opinions & ideas

Ideas are more important then guns. If we
wouldn’t let our opponents have guns, why
would we let them have ideas (opinions )?
-Joseph Stalin

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Post  Ebinger on Fri Aug 28, 2009 12:09 am

Hey, Sarah, you're banned and your posts are deleted. Now go somewhere else to kiss Obama's butt , you ignorant troll.
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